57x
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Post by 57x on Oct 29, 2008 15:04:05 GMT -5
AUGUST 10th and 11th will be the dates of the 2009 stockton ks races. There will be a new format this year as well.I will update as I get my program together. We will have a Vintage Twins Shootout 7500.00 purse, pro 450 class with a 7500.00 purse, and a air-cooled singles class with a 3500.00 purse. Vintage singles with A and B mains with a big purse to be announced. XR 500's will not be allowed in the vintage class,only in the air-cooled class. Vintage singles must be 600cc or smaller and the first 3 bikes will be checked. The purse for this class is going to be big!Vintage 0-400cc will have a good size purse to race for as well. Open AM will be a class of modern and vintage. Over 40 class will be both vintage and modern combined. I will post this in a different format very soon. Thanks Frank
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Post by number17 on Oct 30, 2008 17:45:54 GMT -5
Frank,
Just read your rules for 2009. Expected this. No xr's. Take away all the XR's, Yamahas OVER 600cc and what do you have left. The bottom 25% of the finishers you had this year. Now wait till Orman's 350's come out there and kick everyones butt then they will be outlawed next year. I have had the engine in my XR for three seasons now only to have people whine about it this year cause I had some good luck. The past two years nobody said anything cause I didn't win!! If you people think a XR or big TT will run with a Rotax, I have some land I would like to sell to you. (cheap). You have effectively reduced the rider turnout. Hope this is what you were after!!!!!!
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Post by cherrypicker on Oct 30, 2008 20:01:52 GMT -5
Hey Jeff- Check the new thread on flattrack.com, Frank is now questioning the XR's for the vintage class. link
To be continued............. |
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Post by number17 on Oct 30, 2008 21:39:36 GMT -5
Thanx Tammy, Check out my reply. Not trying to start a war, but I've worked for five years to get the bike I have and now get kicked in the face. I'm done
hawbaker
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Post by cherrypicker on Oct 30, 2008 22:52:08 GMT -5
Oh believe me, I've been keeping a close eye on that debate. I would even venture to say it has a good chance of being WildWill's next Wednesday night chat topic!
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Post by tudorpilot on Oct 31, 2008 6:26:29 GMT -5
Hey Hawbaker....
The reason Orman's 350s do so well is because they have 100 cc's over the rest of us. I hope Frank checks the top finishers in the 0-400 class too. Might be a good race if all the bikes are the same size. Good luck to ya'
Josh Trail 29g
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Post by cracing on Oct 31, 2008 13:17:49 GMT -5
Josh, You are absolutely correct. Last year there was a certain yellow XL350 (raced my WM at NFTRA events) for sale on the VFT page. If my memory serves me well, it was advertised as a 440  . I am sure there are some within the displacement limit, but this one absolutely was not. Dan |
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Post by tudorpilot on Oct 31, 2008 13:33:38 GMT -5
Yep, raced against it at Moberly, MO in the "375" class...
Josh Trail 29g
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Post by getta20m on Oct 31, 2008 14:46:18 GMT -5
Hey Frank,
Hope you check this forum. I read over the posts on Flattrack forum but don’t think it is appropriate for me to post there because some of the debate seems to be between the guys running up front and I’m not there-yet. My biggest objection to running the restricted Honda XR with the 2 -valve Yamaha in the Great Plains 600 class is the impracticality of enforcement.
I’m not an engine builder or a mechanic, but I’ve done a little research and based on the numbers I’ve come up with am satisfied that the Honda XR 500, with changes in compression and cams and limited to 500cc, would be reasonably competitive with most of the 540 to 600cc Yamahas. My vote is to allow them at Stockton if you think it will help the show, but keep them to 500cc and check the winners.
#20m
I want bore anyone with numbers unless somebody wants to see them or knows different.
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Post by number17 on Oct 31, 2008 16:05:01 GMT -5
Josh,
I see that you imply that the 360 xl I was riding at davenport was a big motor. You should take this up with Pat orman. He told me, and everyone else that has ridden that bike that it's a 360. If you remember at davenport I got 2nd. That was my fault not the bikes. If I were a gambler, I would bet a years earnings that what Pat says is true. Now the person that won I can not attest for. Regardless it was a good race. Now, I spoke to you after the race and you revealed how much power you were putting out. Your bike should have been in front with those kind of numbers! What happened? My point is that it wasn't the bikes fault, you can have all the power in the world but if you aren't riding or have bad luck (something breaks) it aint gonna help! Seems to me that consistent winners are always cheaters and the moving obstacles on the track are consistent whiners!!!!!!
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Post by cracing on Oct 31, 2008 16:59:25 GMT -5
Davenport or Moberly
Too far apart to be the same track.
Now, IF you bought the bike I mentioned, it was advertised as bigger than 375cc and it must have been altered after the purchase to bring it back down to size.
As for Getta -
You have every right to participant and contribute to conversations affecting the class you compete in.
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Post by xl350 on Oct 31, 2008 18:05:06 GMT -5
Just to keep things straight here; Dan, I've never owned or sold a yellow XL350. Josh, I build XL350s to 360,393,442 and 481cc sizes. At Davenport, Jeff rode my 360. What size was yours? At Moberly nobody ran against my bike. It didn't make it out of practice and was entered in the pro600 class. I have no problems with these issues, if you want to talk about it personally, give me a call 563 246 2506. Pat Orman.
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Post by tsmiley98 on Oct 31, 2008 19:33:08 GMT -5
Josh, I see that you imply that the 360 xl I was riding at davenport was a big motor. You should take this up with Pat orman. He told me, and everyone else that has ridden that bike that it's a 360. If you remember at davenport I got 2nd. That was my fault not the bikes. If I were a gambler, I would bet a years earnings that what Pat says is true. Now the person that won I can not attest for. Regardless it was a good race. Now, I spoke to you after the race and you revealed how much power you were putting out. Your bike should have been in front with those kind of numbers! What happened? My point is that it wasn't the bikes fault, you can have all the power in the world but if you aren't riding or have bad luck (something breaks) it aint gonna help! Seems to me that consistent winners are always cheaters and the moving obstacles on the track are consistent whiners!!!!!! So what you are implying is that everyone who is winning is a cheater? Josh has done pretty well this year at teh races he has made, and his bike is probably one of the most legal bikes on the track.. (it isn't breaking any rules) If you are saying he sucks at riding quit beating around the bush and come on with it. Of course there are going to be guys pushing the rules, and it sucks for guys who follow the limits and still can't compete, Who wants to come out all the time and get beat by a cheater, kinda takes the fun out of it don't you think? It's pretty easy to point fingers and say so and so is cheating, and even easier to say the guy who isn't cheating is just a bad rider.. Ther just may be some truth to both points, Either way if you something to say , just come out and say it. |
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Post by cherrypicker on Oct 31, 2008 19:46:25 GMT -5
OY!
This thread is starting to make my head hurt.
I don't think Frank's intention was to start pointing fingers at riders or bikes in the past, but rather to make the playing surface as equal as possible for everyone in the future. Now it has been suggested that the XRs be allowed to run if they they are a maximum of 500cc and 38mm carbs. Is this fair? Others suggest a basic 1980 (or 81) and older rule.
Thoughts?
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Post by number17 on Oct 31, 2008 21:27:29 GMT -5
I got 2nd at davenport in his class. Should have won- my fault. And my bike was legal. Where did he finish?
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