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Post by tsmiley98 on Oct 31, 2008 21:38:40 GMT -5
I got 2nd at davenport in his class. Should have won- my fault. And my bike was legal. Where did he finish? 5th, like I said, instead of insinuating things, quit beating around the bush and spit it out.. |
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Post by tudorpilot on Oct 31, 2008 23:00:10 GMT -5
Seems it doesn't take much to get people excited these days... Even though you didn't win, you're still #1 in my heart Jeff  I'm just a good ol' boy that likes to ride his moorsickle fast... Usually against bikes of the same caliber. Maybe Tammy will let me ride it in the maddog 150's next year.... Now that the pot has been effectively stirred, I will return to real life.... Josh Trail 29g |
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Post by 57x on Nov 1, 2008 11:10:56 GMT -5
Hey guys and gals, just wanted to say thanks for all your input on the TT500 vs XR500 deal. I wanted to make sure our races are as fair as possible for everyone. I would like to believe that what works at stockton could, and would work at most races. Anytime money is involved, the Rules are important. Somewhere in the quest to win, people have seemed to overlook the class size peroid. If the class is 600cc, why is it ok for guys to be riding 640's, or whatever else just to win. I am going to do whatever it takes to help bring back some integrity into the 600 class. As far as the orman xl in question, It is a 360. Pat did a lot of work to build that engine, and it paid off. I believe at Stockton the rules will allow Honda xr500 to run with a 38mm carb, and a slight overbore. We are working to get more info now. Thanks, Frank
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Post by xl350 on Nov 1, 2008 19:14:26 GMT -5
Well tsmiley, dan, Josh I'm not positive but it seems that you guys are calling me a cheater and if that's the case protest me or if the org has no protest just come on over with your money and I'll cover whatever you want to bet and we'll tear it down. Fair enough? Pat Orman.
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Post by tsmiley98 on Nov 1, 2008 20:38:39 GMT -5
Well tsmiley, dan, Josh I'm not positive but it seems that you guys are calling me a cheater and if that's the case protest me or if the org has no protest just come on over with your money and I'll cover whatever you want to bet and we'll tear it down. Fair enough? Pat Orman. I am pretty sure the guy with your engine said something about cheating.. besides I could give a crap less if you are or aren't I am not a great rider, I just want to have fun, but don't care for people wanting to trash talk my friends,, Dig it?  Seems to me that consistent winners are always cheaters and the moving obstacles on the track are consistent whiners!!!!!! |
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Post by tudorpilot on Nov 1, 2008 20:40:15 GMT -5
Hi Pat,
With a quick review of the text.... Nobody calls Pat Orman a cheater. I stated that your bikes whip our butts because they are bigger. I didn't bring up Davenport or breaking of any rules by you personally, just engine size. I wrongfully assumed that what I had been told (by many) was true. I sincerely apologize for the mistake. Your name is synonymous with fast XL350 engines, and I respect you for that. There you go, I stand corrected....
It sounds like my inability to ride is my downfall, NOT engine size or horsepower. That's why I've dedicated so many races to following others around the track to see how they do it.
On the upside....Stockton looks to be very promising if Frank is already burning the midnight oil to get huge purses and large rider counts. Looking forward to it...
Josh Trail 29g
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Post by number17 on Nov 1, 2008 20:54:56 GMT -5
TSMILEY98,
Trash talking? 6th post of this thread-"The reason Ormans 350
run so good is because they are 100cc's larger"- what's that? Forget posting. Call me! 6414268173
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Post by tsmiley98 on Nov 1, 2008 23:32:03 GMT -5
TSMILEY98, Trash talking? 6th post of this thread-"The reason Ormans 350 run so good is because they are 100cc's larger"- what's that? Forget posting. Call me! 6414268173 He wasn't the only one implying that, and that , besides that rumor has been going around long before this can of worms got opened by You, You are the one that brought up the issue of Ormans engines and winners cheating. Orman says his stuff is legit, but does that mean the guys buying it run it in the right class? You said yourself the winners are cheating.. Recap, You bring up the issue of winners cheating and Orman's engines, (Completly off the subject of this thread to begin with) Rumors are repeated (again a subject you brought up so people repeat what they hear) That got squashed by Orman saying his engine was/is legal You make a personal attack on someone insinuating they are less than capable of doing anymore than make a bike go around the track. (but you can only hint to it rather than come out and say it) Why should anyone call you , anything I need to say can be said so everyone can see it. I am sure that a rumor got started somewhere about your bike being larger than it is, and the people who restated it are corrected, (they admit to having obscure facts) So how do you compare a spread rumor of a bike being mechanically different to blatently implying that someone sucks at what they are trying to enjoy? No hard feelings here, consider this hatchet burried, good luck with your upcoming race season, I promise I wont whine when I become one of those moving obstacles in someones way, |
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Post by xl350 on Nov 1, 2008 23:57:34 GMT -5
Thanks Josh, You gotta watch what OTHER people tell you. Some of them just talk to hear themselves think. Sounds like[hopefully] Frank and Orange shirt crew are going to make Stockton a Vintage NATIONAL next year. That kind of money is going to bring out some REAL HOTSHOES. Just remember those guys and gals put they're pants on one leg at a time just like everybody else. Seeya at the races, Pat.
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Post by xl350 on Nov 2, 2008 1:00:31 GMT -5
Sorry Tammy, I'll get off this he said, they said, who said and follow the thread subject. My sugestion for the pro600 class is; 4valve motors-500cc limit, 2 valve motors-600cc limit+.040 for rebuild. Restrict the 4valvers to 38mm round slide carbs and let 25 year old air cooled Rotaxs, RFVC Hondas, Yamahas etc in. That would or should bring in some new riders. IF the newer bikes are too fast then restrict them or downsize them to say 450cc. Restrictors would be the cheapest. Regulating size MIGHT be tough but I don't really think so. When the bikes get torn down and ARE legal there must be a fee[$200-$300] paid to the rider/owner. If they are NOT legal no fee, no purse, no points and a penalty. Fees could come from the purse or maybe an extra $5 on all pit passes and entry fees. Anything left over at the end of the year goes towards awards banquet. Pat Orman. another sugestion is all members of your forum MUST fill out a complete and legitimate bio
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Post by tsmiley98 on Nov 2, 2008 10:15:50 GMT -5
good point on the bio,, it's nice to get to know new people.. I don't understand why people are complaining the bikes can't be run in the vintage class? There is still a class to run them in. Heck it even pays good money. It's not like they said you can not run the bike at all. , and a air-cooled singles class with a 3500.00 purse. XR 500's will not be allowed in the vintage class, only in the air-cooled class. , and a air-cooled singles class with a 3500.00 purse. |
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Post by cracing on Nov 2, 2008 20:45:41 GMT -5
Pat Orman, Please read my post word for word, consider all possible implications, and explain to everybody where I called you a cheater.  I stated I saw a bike for sale and it was advertised larger than 375cc, but competed in the 375cc class. Simple fact. Besides, until you strap on a steel shoe and buckle up your helmet, you cannot cheat. You aren't the rider. Only the rider can cheat. I did not call you a cheater. Somebody else? Yes, I exposed that person. You? No. I apologize if I was taken out of context and will refrain from future bouts of interjecting fact. Dan Clarke |
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Post by thumper on Nov 2, 2008 22:02:51 GMT -5
Much ado bout nothin! Quityerbitchinandletsrace!!!!!
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Post by xl350 on Nov 2, 2008 22:58:20 GMT -5
Well Dan, page #1 post #6; Josh states the reason Orman's 350s do so well is they have a 100cc over the rest of us. page #1 post #7; you state Josh, Your absolutely correct. And go on to talk about Wendys bike[which was not owned or built by me nor advertised as a 440]. Ask Randy Blackwell what it was, he bought it. Now, maybe you don't consider it cheating for an owner to let his bike be entered in a wrong class but I do. There ya go, right out in front of God and everybody. Now, I would appreciate, and abviously a lot of other people also, that if you want go farther with this, you start a new thread or call me or email me your # and I'll call you. Thanks, Pat Orman.
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Post by cracing on Nov 3, 2008 9:49:27 GMT -5
Well, everybody, I have been busted!!
Though it was not my intent to call Pat a cheater, I did. The first line of my response on page 1 drug Pat into my response.
It was my intent only to make point of a certain bike advertised as larger than the limit for the class it was campaigned in.
Pat, I apologize.
I unintentionally drug you in. I didn't intend to, but I did. I am guilty. I am sorry.
Dan
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